Campers from Hell
Alex Krasney screamed for an entire session. Until a few years
ago I had a cassette recording of one particular temper tantrum
filled with choice tidbits like "God, please kill me." Peter
Koro, Brett Weinstein and I used to take turns restraining him.
Once, he rolled off the side of a mountain in the Porkies and
pretended he was dead. I know that there are a bunch of
eavesdropping 25 year olds who can attest to Krasney's
insanity. (I know he wasn't Marshall Berlin, but who was?)
David Raskin, , email@example.com, [Msgid=82756]
David Oshefsky!!! Bosco please fill in..we almost were
convicted of child abuse at the Rhinelander court house.
P'troff, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=82854]
One of the worst Campers/CIT's it was my displeasure ever to be
around was Pete Sonneborn (sorry Willie and Charlie). As a CIT
he used to beat the sh** out of the campers, and when I told
him to stop, would go psycho on me. I'm assuming he turned out
all right but I know some of my campers would back me up. Suss,
are you out there?
JMossler, , email@example.com, [Msgid=82863]
Sonneborn & Berlin
I concur with Moss that Pete Sonneborn was brutal. I don't
really remember not liking the guy but, we were all a bit
scared/nervous/jumpy around him. By the way Moss, Pete was CIT
the same year Terry WATERS(!) was there. Pud, as I'm sure you
recall, I was in that cabin (Seminole) Marshall Berlin's first
year (1977, my first year too). He was a nut. None of us
campers wanted anything to do with him. We were only 10 years
old but we knew to avoid him. He actually came back at least
one more year and maybe more. Anyone recall how long Marshall
was at camp for?
David Susman, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=82898]
Another Great Camper
How about Brian Doner?...the kid wasn't happy unless he was
pissing someone off to the point of getting an arm-smash!
JMossler, , email@example.com, [Msgid=82906]
Moss- wasn't that true about most guys from Indianapolis? By
the way Pud, do you still hang out with Youzo Shita?
Marksy, , , [Msgid=83069]
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE INSANE PINKASON BROTHER?? HE WAS IN
TONY SEARLE'S CABIN ONE YEAR BACK IN THE SEVENTIES. AND TONY
WOULD ONLY ENTER AT NIGHT LATE WITH A BIG STICK. ANY TODD
CHAPMAN STORIES?? CONER
CONER, , MEDGASCO@AOL.COM, [Msgid=83137]
Pinkason / Searle
I had the experience of being cabinmates with Al and Cal
Pinkason a few times over the years. I was in
Searle's CIT cabin with Al as my bunkmate. Marty Lynch was
our JC and one night, while Tony was in town doing
knows what, the cabin was being quite stubborn about going
to bed. Marty warned us that the last one up would have to
'deal' with Tony in the morning.
Well, Al was running around like......well, like a Pinkason and
I was trying to get him to shut up. Anyway, Marty burst out of
the counselor room and said, "Schlossberg and Pinkason, you'll
be having a meeting with Tony tomorrow."
I didn't think much about it, but at about 5am I was dragged
off the top bunk and dropped to the floor to find Al next to me
standing over us with a club in his hand. We were stripped
of our clothes and thrown into a waiting van outside the back
door. Someone (Marty?) drove while Tony beat the crap out of
us. They took us to Airport Road & Hwy 51 where we were
We walked all the way back to camp
the woods on our bare feet, ouch! Camp was at breakfast as
I sneaked into our cabin and retrieved some clothes and bug
spray; we decided to hide in the woods as a way of getting
even. Harold and Faiwell's voice could be heard all day over
the PA summoning us the the office. We emerged around dinner
and were asked for an explanation. We told on Tony and he was
called into the Hiken house. Not sure what the result of that
Ah, good times...
Bosco, , YaHeyDer@aol.com, [Msgid=83646]
Re: Judge Judy (see above)
First of all, the kid's name was Jimmy Oshefski, aka: The Dole
Banana. This was the kid who used to pinch himself to acquire
multiple bruises, and would wear bandages over nothing. Jimmy
was lighting smokebombs behind
our cabin (thats
Jimmy in the lower left...Hey Pete, no fingers!), and after
the second warning, Pete and I decided to make him shovel horse
dung at the stables. We neglected to remember that in his
camper profile file, his parents stated that Jimmy had an
overwhelming fear of horses, and he was to be kept away from
them. Anyway, Jimmy shoveled away with little more than a
whine. When word got back to his folks, Petroffsky, Faiwell
(one of his Director years) and I found ourselves at the DA's
office in Rhinelander-hey. They asked us for statements, and
then Mark and the attorneys went into a conference room for a
while; leaving Petey and I in the giant, beautiful, empty
courtroom were we took a 'tour' of the Judge's desk and
The case was settled out-of-court, PK and I never learned the
details, but it must have worked out well because Mark took us
out for a nice lunch on the way back to camp.
Oshefsky hasn't been heard or seen from since, although Pud
informs us that the family is still in Peoria.
Bosco, , YaHeyDer@aol.com, [Msgid=83653]
Bosco....one more point
...and so is Pud
Marksy, , , [Msgid=83661]
FYI, I think I recently saw the Jim O. episode recently on "Law
and Order - Special Victims Unit ".
Carl B, , ccbassfirst
post .com, [Msgid=83750]
Bosco, I vividly recall you relating that story to me of the
Searle/Pinkason/Bosco debacle. I had to deal with Tony for (2)
straight summers because H knew most others were scared to
death of the guy. The stench was awful, as he only had the one
pair of British underwear, which doubled as a bathing suit (or
was it the other way around?) This was the same
underwear/swimsuit he wore back in 1976, his first year. I
don't know anyone who snored more voraciously than Tony (that
includes my bulldog Old Man). As for the Oshefsky family, who
the Hell told them about camp anyway? I never knew them while
they were here (they weren't originally from here). Whoever
they were, they're sure as Hell not here anymore.
PudrickMandew, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=84153]
To all 1960's alumni...
This is a plea for you old-timers (at least to me) from the
'60s to chime in here on the message board. There is a lot of
camp history that is somewhat murky, and priceless stories that
need to be told. Let's hear about the birth of Trampball, tell
us about the first camp "hippie", describe a typical Cruiser
Day. This forum was created as a means to pass on information,
so please don't be shy....
Bob Gassel, , email@example.com, [Msgid=84634]
And by the way, just who created Tushball and gave it it's
name...I don't know, just curious.
JMossler, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=84679]
Al Gore claims to have created Tushball
Marksy, , , [Msgid=84851]
and he cares very deeply about each and every one of our right
JMossler..., , , [Msgid=84853]
Tushball Rules Change
Yes, it's true. Gore is also on the Board of Directors of the
ATA. He is currently pushing through new rules to allow for the
use of instant replay.
Red, , email@example.com, [Msgid=84878]
JayMoss, a little known secret that I will share re: Creator of
Tushball...Ed Gein donated one of the original tushballs to
Harold, it never seemed to wear out and was last seen behind
Shawnee with other missing campers!
P'troff, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=84941]
Peter.....when you get back from whatever planet you're
on--please explain your last post. Is it me, or are they
getting weirder and weirder? Be honest now....
Marksy, , , [Msgid=85030]
Marksy, and all others who don't know, Ed Gien was a mass
murderer who skinned his victims and made clothing &/or
furniture from it (lampshades, couch covers, etc). The tushball
he donated to camp was actually used for many summers until, as
Peter has pointed out, it was lost behind Shawnee.....I think I
remember being told this happened in 1968 or 1969. I remember
going behind there MANY TIMES looking for that lost
JP, , , [Msgid=85206]
JP was always gullable
JP....you were the guy trying to convince people of a new lake
too--if I remember correctly
Marksy, , , [Msgid=85207]
Nice call on the new lake Marksy...who thought that one
up?...my guess would be Glicksman or Bierman
JMossler..., , , [Msgid=85339]
Timber-Dudes In Paradise
Met Petroffski in Delray Beach during the wee hours this
morning and drove to the Keys before sunrise, rented a boat and
spent the day fishing near Islamorada and around Lower
Matecumbe Key. We had a pulchritudinous day with enough sun to
bake both of us half to death (We had no fresh water or
beverage of any kind) and caught about 50-60 fish...snapper,
grunts, permit, yellow tail and a few puffer fish (watch out
Pete, it's gonna blow!) Pete even caught a power cable and a
new rod and reel. True.
So we return tonight, sunburnt, parched and smelling pretty
Just wanted to share this day with the CA and tell you all,
"Come on down, the fish are waiting"
Bosco, , YaHeyDer@aol.com, [Msgid=85399]
Re: The Lake
Good call on Bierman, JayMoss. And I wouldn't be suprised if
Lee had a hand in this too.
Lake dates back to 1975 and was supposed to be built just
beyond Doc Thiedeman's road.
Bosco, , YaHeyDer@aol.com, [Msgid=85405]
The new lake
I have a vague recollection (this is the case with most of my
1970s recollections) of taking the PA cabin to some area being
all dug up in 1975 and convincing them that a new lake was
being built. Of course, they were all on much more potent drugs
than I. Lee Glicksman
Lee, , email@example.com, [Msgid=85417]
What is this "Lake" stuff?
David Raskin, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=85674]
Now that's a word I don't think I've utilized (verbally or
written) within the last month or so, Mr. Ramirez. That's an
impressive one that must have gotten by me at the 1973 Greater
Peoria District 150 Spelling Bee. Sounds like you and Pete took
in some terrific scenery.
Pud Heller, , email@example.com, [Msgid=85703]
Love in an Elevator
Hey ya'll, just came up North to 9 degree temps while yesterday
I was tuging a skiff along a sandy reef miles out at sea! Also
want to let the C.A. know that Robby Shiller and his beautiful
family met us (the Kaufmans) in Walt Disney World....we all had
a ball, I yaked on one of Robbies $40 stogies and he yaked on a
a totally rad Aerosmith hot-rod ride! Marksy I am on Planet
Nike, just do me er, it!! Hugs and kisses Petroff! Where's the
P'troff, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=85705]
Camp Film question
I just received and saw "Camp Film". My son asked me why all of
the campers and counselors liked to dress up as women. Any
suggested answers? And the cast finally came off two weeks ago.
Free at last!
lebs, , , [Msgid=86061]
Reply to Lebau
Steve, it was a tradition for anyone fortunate enough to
"acquire" a dress from a girl during a camp social was required
to wear it the following UN or Pow Wow Day. Another theory is
that those shots in the movie were not of male campers and
counselors, but actually Mosinee kitchen girls (no offense
intended to Mrs. Faiwell).
Gazzoo, , email@example.com, [Msgid=86180]
Reply to Lebau (Part II)
Which means...since I dressed up in female drag the most out of
anyone, I undoubtedly secured the most dresses from Chippewa
and Agawak, but never ventured for kitchen-girl poontang and
avoided all STDs associated with such varment. These days, I
selectively adhere to the "Jesus said love 'em all" philosophy.
They must have nice teeth. I procure my free profolinis at the
Peoria County Health Dept.
Pud, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=86344]
Pud...you're the reason why people say the Agawak and Chippewa
rumor are untrue--they say "Heck, Pud wore dresses and we KNOW
he NEVER scored with any girls from there"
Marksy, , , [Msgid=86400]
A MidSummer Night's Dream
You talking to me Pete
Peter...how's life in the glass house?
Marksy, , , [Msgid=86506]
Before I will hold the deed to my glass house, you must first
identify the stone I have allegedly cast.
P'troff, , email@example.com, [Msgid=86555]
For those of you wondering.... Philip Johnson's glass house is
in New Canaan, Ct, a town that has been fighting its being
turned into a tourist destination -- so much that the parking
lot for the "Johnson Center" will be in the next town over. And
speaking of Modernist architecture, Daniel Burnham's Guaranty
Building is on the front page of the Times's art section
David Raskin, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=86912]
ah ah ah
Marksy, , , [Msgid=86922]
Now, what were we talking about..???
I heard that there was a glass house at the bottom of the new
lake. There was an underwater shot taken that was supposed to
be on the cover of the next Timberlife (which was never
published). Rumor has it there is a number of dresses in the
house of unknown origin. Some of them appear to be Pud's
Red, , , [Msgid=86992]
Re: yawn...Marksy your mouth wash just isn't makin it!!!
P'troff, , email@example.com, [Msgid=87563]
Ok, let's lighten things up a bit, and try a new topic. How
about chance/surprise/ironic encounters with other alumni. The
strangest I can remember is running into Andy Rabin in front of
the main train station in Amsterdam. (even stranger that it
wasn't a 'coffee' shop). Dead show encounters I'm sure will be
a popular subject.
Red, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=87714]
Scott Seideman and Brett Farve in the locker room at the Super
Bowl in New Orleans when the Packers won.
wob bond, , getabettertopic.com, [Msgid=87797]
One of the only instances I can recall was when I went with
Gazzoo to a Bears preseason game in the late '70s (the same
night Daryl Stingley was paralyzed in Patriots' game and George
Allen was fired from the Rams). We ran into Gary Garten outside
Soldier Field. I also had a chance encounter at Tulane in 1983
with Stuart Speer, who was a freshman when I was a senior. I
didn't even know he was a student there.
PudrickMandew, , email@example.com, [Msgid=87924]
Cheesehead Spelling Bee
Hey Makrsy, I believe he spells it Favre! I know you live in
Chicago now, but I thought you were still a Packer fan!
JMossler, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=87947]
Nathan Schwartz walking down the street after dinner in
Annapolis, Md. and Bruce Feinstein, while catching a bus in
Amsterdam...Brad Herrold pulled up alongside our car, when me
and Carl Bass were driving to some house in Berkley after the
New Years Eve Dead Shows!
JMossler, , email@example.com, [Msgid=87949]
Then your deduction should have been
Moss--that should have been your first indication that the post
WASN'T MINE!!!! Thank goodness you work on hearts and not
Marksy (spelled correctly), , ,
Has anybody seen my old friend...
Returning from our wedding on a walkway at Midway Airport,
hearing someone shout my name only to stare into the eyes of
someone I have known my entire life and have no recollection of
who he was (Gary Garten)! I miss him. Also walking down a dusty
trail totally parched beneath a blazing sun in Tuscon AZ. only
to have Todd Chapman drive up to me in a convertible Cadillac
and NOT offer me a ride back to this dude ranch 2 miles away!
$35 to whoever can get Garten to the board! and $100 to whoever
can get Marksy off the board :)
P'troff, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=88037]
Which one of Todd's celebrity friends was he with?
JMoss, , email@example.com, [Msgid=88042]
Shame on TC
Pete....I would have given you a ride!
Marksy, , , [Msgid=88043]
Snowmobiling in da nort wood
There is a day trip from Indianapolis to Rhinelander on Feb. 1
for snowmobiling...if anyone in the peri-Indy area is
interested in a day in Cheeseland, let me know!
JMoss, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=88044]
Thanks Marksy...Hey JayMoss a DAY trip from Indy to
Rhinelander? What and choke down a hodag sandwich and do a few
laps on the greatest snowmobile course in the world? All in a
DAY? You might want to readjust your vaporizer!!!
P'troff, , email@example.com, [Msgid=88105]
During this tense time in middle east, 2 Israeli soldiers were
patrolling in Bethleham when they noticed a man and woman
approaching. The man said to the soldiers "Is there an inn that
we could stay at? My wife is with child". The soldiers lowered
their weapons and asked "Your name wouldn't happen to be
Joseph, would it?" "Why yes", he replied. "and your wife, her
name wouldn't happen to be Mary, would it?" "Why, yes", he
replied. "And if she gives birth to a boy child, you wouldn't
be thinking about naming him Jesus, would you?" And Joseph
looked back and said, "Hell no, we're not Mexican, we're
Jewish. Gonna name him Moshe, or Schlomo."
Lee Glicksman, , firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=88212]
Bulletin Board Stuff
A few issues...first, there's a new feature where you can be
notified by e-mail when anyone posts a message on the board;
you'll find the link to sign up for this at the top of the page
(underneath the buttons). Secondly, I want to re-emphasize that
if you're going to reem someone, at least have the guts to sign
your real identity, or I'm going to have to delete it. Lastly,
I want to know if, starting with the new year, new posts should
be at the TOP of the page, rather than at the bottom. Vote YES
if you think this change should be made, and NO if you don't.
Personally, I think the line of conversation is easier to
follow the way it is
FINAL VOTING RESULTS ARE: Yes - 1 No -
Gazzoo, , email@example.com, [Msgid=88711]
It seems I've started a mini controversy and to give those
interested something other to do than to slam John Marks and
Pud, I'll throw something new for ya'll to comment on! I'm
going to New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl and only have two
nights and one day in town (kind of like a two-night one-day
canoe trip to Blackened Trout Lake). I asked Pud (a Tulane
alum) for some input on where to go to get REAL Cajun cooking
and his input helped lead me to a number of options... which
led to a phone call from JP telling me even more (lunch at
"Ugleish" sounds extraordinary, especially when according to JP
it will not just knock my socks off but other parts of my
anatomy as well!).. So now those of you other Cajun travelers
and fans, any other suggestions on where I should go when I'm
in New Orleans??? I'll need something to chow on during all
those commercial breaks throughout the game!
Jeff Leiken, 800- BananasFos, firstname.lastname@example.org, [Msgid=89247]
Lets slam Jeff
Jeff how do you know when there are commercial breaks when you
are AT the game? **** cajun! Do a Mickey D's McRib sandwich,
breakfast at Denny's, Popeye's on the way home to the airport,
and then enjoy a cold box lunch at 35k feet!!! Enjoy the game!
Need a moist towelette?
P'troff, , email@example.com, [Msgid=89252]
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